i mean, 20% of the people in america don't have health insurance. it's a major impediment to people starting small businesses because they remain with these very large companies and won't go out on their own. entrepreneurship is not going to come from the private sector. it's going to come from the government nationalizing our health insurance system. david: that 20% figure is pretty high even if you believe the 47 million figure. >> absolutely. look. half the people without insurance right now could get it if they so wanted it. what we're talking about is overhauling the entire system for the sake of less than 1% of the people in the country. so, you know, 1% to 10%. it's an argument i think that is won by the private market. david: quentin hardy has been mulling all this over. he has put it together. go ahead, quentin. >> how much waste and fraud is there in the private sector, in the insurance industry among private hospitals in america. >> lots. >> when you talk about it in medicare, you really do need to have some kind of standard against how t